Not trying to flame...

[Flexerman]

Is it just my cynical disposition...but it seems like some of the pics I see posted of people who are cycling, look like they've hardly ever trained...newbies, if you look like a dumpling with no muscle tone you probably are not ready for AAS. Just my .02.

[stantheman]

I used to sing the same song untill I had some life issues and turned into the dumpling.

Now I just stfu

[panterapupE]

love it dude!

Coincidentaly I ATE dumplings last night. They wuz good.

IMO most traineez should not use gear until they are in their late 80s (many will not b prepared to use em till they are their early 90s!)

Get a good 75 years of training under ur belt, read until the eyeballz fall out etc.

[bigrak04]

Originally posted by Flexerman
Is it just my cynical disposition...but it seems like some of the pics I see posted of people who are cycling, look like they've hardly ever trained...newbies, if you look like a dumpling with no muscle tone you probably are not ready for AAS. Just my .02.

WOW! Thanks for contributing to the betterment of the board.

[BeginnerGuy]

I think he is refering to me. I posted pics of myself prior to dieting. I guess I shouldn't have. Thought it would be good to see the progress. Admitidly it ain't nearly competition level but I wasn't shooting for 10%BF look either. I like the puffy bulky look. I don't really want the lean look for myself.

I've seen pics of guys on this board that I didn't like either. I didn't like them but that doesn't mean that the look isn't right for them. These guys had under 10%BF and it was, IMHO, just nasty lookin. Almost unhealthy. I would look like a cancer patient if I did that to myself. It however is the look they are shooting for, and that is fine. I ate everything thing I could possibly find for 3 months to get big. Cake, sodas, burgers, etc. I did that on purpose to get big. Just cause I'm not lean doesn't mean I can't do AAs. As a matter of fact there is only one place I want to remove fat and that is the love handles. Wish me luck. I could do Lipo like my friends on AAs but I would rather try and isolate and remove it naturally.

BeginnerGuy

[stantheman]

doesn't matter who it was directed to.

When I read what you were doing and saw your pics I knew two things.

1. you didn't know about roids that much
2. you didn't know that mucha bout working out..

I didn't go HEY get off roids and learn... I gave you the info you needed in order to have good progress..

There are two types of people..

1. The ones that help
2. The ones that try to raise thier own egos by posting garbage like this..

I mean this guy is new, no pics on the boards, no history of giving good or bad advice and he just yaps his mouth. Take a look under the I'm old post by the almost 50yr woman. You can see his reply had little to do with the pic and alot to do with him telling everyone how great of a body he thinks he has.

pride pride pride pride.. cocky cocky.. cocky..

The idea of helping people is alien to him :P

[Thai Guy]

i wouldnt say that he is unexperienced and he does have pics...he is in amazing shape..


however flexerman..realize this i put up my picture for critique i am not an iron monster i do realize this however im 5 ft 6 194 pounds at 11% bf not horrible but not great..we are all here to give positive advice..and yes naturally some are further progressed than others..i am 19 years old obviousely i cannot have the muscle density/quality of a 29 year old who has been lifting for over 10 years.

overall Everybody Starts somewhere and we need to respect that.. i realize you are more advanced than most - but especially you should use that to help those with less experience to become a better bodybuilder

[Flexerman]

I didn't intend to offend anyone...and I was not referring to any one member..you can go through pics on any board and find what I'm talking about...and to clarify, I do have pics posted and sometimes it's more effective to PM someone with your comments instead of posting on the open board. But thanks for the comments everyone, I have a thick skin and can take it, just wanted to clarify some things. And I agree, dumplings can be good in moderation, off season.

[stantheman]

Originally posted by Flexerman
I didn't intend to offend anyone...and I was not referring to any one member..you can go through pics on any board and find what I'm talking about...and to clarify, I do have pics posted and sometimes it's more effective to PM someone with your comments instead of posting on the open board. But thanks for the comments everyone, I have a thick skin and can take it, just wanted to clarify some things. And I agree, dumplings can be good in moderation, off season.

your post was an invitation for them to do it on the board. I did mine here because I was honestly not very happy about the comments you made.

I do agree with you that people need to know what they are doing before they start messing with roids but I don't agree with the way you went about things. When people don't have a clue about what they are doing it is better to help them because like having a kid, no matter what you say, they will do it anyway. Once someone decides it is time for roids and they got a source, they are way to far to be turning back because some anon guy on a board told them to . So atleast give them everything they need to do it right so they don't screw up thier cycle (waste money) or do something like taking A bombs for 4 months and fry thier liver.

After reading your last post, I will be the first to say I was harsh on you. So I apologize for that and if your interested I can tell you why I react harsh to people who post comments like that but it isn't an excuse so I'm not going to write it.

its all good

[secretagentswole]

I think flewerman made a decent post what ever his intentions were. I dont claim to be johnny juice the guru, but I do alot of homemork on the whole spectrum of bb. And from what I know, seeing some guys on here that look like butterballs plotting out protocols and dont even have there diet in check. No flame intended, but Beginerboy or what ever his name is, should do a lil more research on things like diet before running a bulker gear on an Atkins diet. Your looking for steroids to make you feel better cause your lazy. There are no magic pills or potions that can make you look like a monster. And the comment made about I ate cake and soda to get big cause I think being big and fat is better than skinny and small. I got news for you bro, If I were you I would re evaluate my program cause your on a road to being unhealthy.

In my opinion, there are alot of guys that should be training a lil longer before jumping on the juice wagon. But hey, if you feel like your ready go ahaed, with as much knowledge as some of you show about the basics, Iam surprised you even know how to run gear safe and effectively......oh wait, you probably dont have the right info on that either............

[stantheman]

Originally posted by secretagentswole
I think flewerman made a decent post what ever his intentions were. I dont claim to be johnny juice the guru, but I do alot of homemork on the whole spectrum of bb. And from what I know, seeing some guys on here that look like butterballs plotting out protocols and dont even have there diet in check. No flame intended, but Beginerboy or what ever his name is, should do a lil more research on things like diet before running a bulker gear on an Atkins diet. Your looking for steroids to make you feel better cause your lazy. There are no magic pills or potions that can make you look like a monster. And the comment made about I ate cake and soda to get big cause I think being big and fat is better than skinny and small. I got news for you bro, If I were you I would re evaluate my program cause your on a road to being unhealthy.

In my opinion, there are alot of guys that should be training a lil longer before jumping on the juice wagon. But hey, if you feel like your ready go ahaed, with as much knowledge as some of you show about the basics, Iam surprised you even know how to run gear safe and effectively......oh wait, you probably dont have the right info on that either............

You know, it is amazing how you just assume that he is lazy. The guy seems to have a hell of a busy schedule and still finds time to go into the gym for extended periods of time. I used to be the hard core gym guy, went even at 2 am when I didn't have time. Then my schedule and stress level got even crazier and I quit for a long time. I'm not lazy... so to assume that he is lazy is just nuts.

FYI, most people who are doing roids are not doing it to be healthy. You are actually on a better track to health without touching roids. So to state that someone who wants to eat some cake to up his calories is on a road to be unhealthy is like picking a spec out of someones eye when you have a telephone pole in yours.... Cake isn't the best way to up your calories but it is a way to do it. To say, hey try eating this instead is one thing but to say that he is going to be unhealthy because he eats some cake is crazy. I eat cake atleast once a week because... I LIKE CAKE...

The vast majority of people who do roids do it for the SAME DAMN REASON and it has nothing to do with being healthy. They want to 'look' a certain way and are using roids as a way to get there quickly. They don't want to wait 2-3+ years to get a nice body, they want it in a year or less and roids is the only thing that will make someone going to the gym for only 1 year look like he has been doing it for many years. It also takes the guy who has been there for 4-5 years past walls (usually created because they don't change up the routines and/or food for years) that they have hit. Roids is always the easier way to do it and most of us are here because we are taking the 'easier way' or because we are thinking about it. A very select few actually use them because they need to in order to make a living... Most of those people are not on the boards.

I think people in general need to get a pin and push it into thier head instead of ass in order to DEFLATE the damn thing.

1. Because you are bigger doesn't make you smarter
2. Because you know more about this subject doesn't make you a better person then those who don't.
3. Because you are hiding behind a computer doesn't make it ok to say offensive things that you would never say to someones face.

here is an example of what is good.

1. If you know more, help those who don't.
2. If your bigger, share what helps you
3. Think about how you can help instead of how you can flame.

[secretagentswole]

I pretty much think you spew a bunch of shit due to your lack of knowledge in the feild. I would be more than happy to share any information I have regarding training and nutrition. I think this whole post turned in to you defending yourself and that other guy. You should sit back and absorb info on here, try to use it, then come back and preach, you forget, alot of us have been around here for a while and have succeded or failed in trial and error. Now when it comes to using AAS. I think you have the wrong Idea about it as well. With as educated as you seem to be from an intellectual stand point, I wouldnt expect you to be so shallow when it comes to this topic. just my 2cc's Iam not going to sit around and sword fight wiht you over a very good point that another bro made. Its obvious and if you dont see it iam sorry......


Oh and when it comes to lazy, you said it your self in your last post,your wanting somthing that takes time in a short period, thus when your not taking gear any longer you will most likely shrink. it takes time and dedication to look a certain way, being lazy is wanting that with out paying your dues

[FlatLine]

Nothing good will come from this , so I'm closing it, as I will any other thread that goes in this direction....