BeginnerGuy Pre pics

[BeginnerGuy]

I was lucky enough to snap some shots before I started my program. Here is chest shot. I edited these to keep them PG rated for posting here.

I'm on week 8 now of:

200 mg Deca wks 1-5
400 mg Deca Wks 5-12

200 mg Test wks 1-4
400 mg Test wks 5-12

I've unfortunately lost about 15 pounds. I was 238 at my start. I'm down to about 222 now. I'm 6'2 and 15.9 % BF, 238 lbs when these pics were takin in November 2003. I started the training in January 2004.

I started a strict Atkins diet about 3 months ago. And was getting severe depression everytime I would look in my mirror and see how much smaller I was getting. Fat might be bad but it looks a hell of a lot better than being small. Every day I was getting smaller and smaller in the mirror. You just don't know how bad that makes you feel When you want to get big. I had muscle but under a lot of extra pading so as I dieted my fat was going away but unfortunately it made me get smaller looking muscles than I had before.

Here are the pics. Hopefully I will feel better about my looks soon enough to post some progress pics.

BeginnerGuy

[BeginnerGuy]

Side View also Nov 03.

[BeginnerGuy]

Here is a shot today. I haven't worked out yet today. I'm on the road and all this hotel has is Cardio. Guess I'm doin cardio.

BeginnerGuy

[BeginnerGuy]

Guys and Girls, I know my body is changing. I get comments all the time but I just don't feel good yet. I keep lookin at myself and I don't have the washboard abs, the V shape, and I can't even see very many muscles unless I purposefully try and pose to get them to come out. I really feel like I'm doin something wrong. Should I add D-Ball. I was trying to keep my first cycle small, easy, and safe. But come on this is really disappointing. Shouldn't I see more on week 8?

BeginnerGuy

[loopfitt]

I honestly don't think you are physically nor psychologically prepared to be using AASs. My opinion. You have to give it time. The neglect of years cannot be swiped clear in a matter of weeks or months. I fully trained for 11 years naturally, learning everything I can about nutrition and exercise techniques and programming before even considering using steroids. I'm sure most of the people involved in this forum have similar stories to mine. You can't just jump into AAS use without the proper background and knowledge to fully reap the benefits they can offer you. Someone who is natural, yet knows what he is doing, will achieve much better results than a beginner on gear.

[BeginnerGuy]

Well, to learn was why I came here several months ago before starting the program. I had several friends that do AAS and they are a heck of alot bigger than me. They started out in worse shape and don't have nearly the gym dedication I do. They are always goofing off at the beach, drinking and partying all night. But somehow they are getting much bigger than me. Maybe I need to drink, goof off and eat crap too. They were really thinking I would out do them cause of all the time I spent in the gym during the past year with out the AAS. We all started our cycles about the same time, although they have done them before and this was my first. I have noticed they are spending more time in the gym during cycle but not nearly as much as me or as consistantly.

BeginnerGuy

[cornfed 2]

You are making progress.

It sounds like you are simultaneously trying to lose bodyfat and gain muscle mass. While this is not impossible, it is very difficult to achieve and impossible to do both with any significant progress. You should really just pick one and eat accordingly.

Make sure your time in the gym is well spent. Hours in the gym don't matter, it is the amount of work done while there that matters. Pay particular attention to performing the heavy compound excercises and adding weight to your routine every week so the muscles have a reason to grow.

[Growinboy]

good reply my cornfed friend...

[BeginnerGuy]

Damn, cornfed. You nailed me on several counts. I am about to hit the sack and will write more tommorrow. Would like to pick your brain some.

BeginnerGuy

[stantheman]

bro!!!

First off, how long to you stay in the gym and what are you doing??

I agree with corn about what he said, hell you said it yourself following the diet. You have to do one or do the other because if you are going to do both, don't juice and waste your money

I posted some pics of me and what I did to myself in 4 weeks time, will post some more up. This way you know i'm not talking out of my arse :P

Personally I have yet to do a bulking cycle on roids and INCREASE my bf. Usually no matter how much I eat (but i eat wisely mind you) I always drop on bf when i'm bulking. Keep in mind that I never go below 10%ish because I don't have the willpower or desire to keep my bf at 8%ish.. My body makes that hard on me hehe. I don't know if this happens with everyone but the few people that I have helped had the same thing happen to them.

Go to testosterone.net.. screw it here you go http://t-mag.com/html/body_146mass.html read that.. then read the other parts, it is called massive eating and FOLLOW IT TO THE T please

Now for a personal question, taking 200 deca and only 200 test... you still getting woodies bro? hehe.. Personally I take atleast 2x the test that I'm taking deca because if not, mr happy isn't 100% lol..

I am guessing this is your first cycle and that you might or might not know alot about working out.. I'm going to assume you might not know alot about it if you do then just tell me to stfu and igore what I say from here on out hehe..

Surf the web and spend atleast an entire day reading about different workout programs.. The next day focus on a program called 5x5 (one of my personall general fix all solutions) and with what you learned the day before, change it up to meet your needs. Fire off any questions you have about anything and I will do my best to help with what I can.

If you do massive eating and stack that with 5x5 up your test to 2x the deca, please post pics every week or send them to me. I would love to see the progress you will be making

As for supplements, go to your local store and look for something called cytogainer (it actually tastes pretty fuuken good haha). I drink 1/2 a serving in the morning, 1/2 before a workout, 1/2 after a workout (along with eating) and 1/2 at night. Of course in the middle i'm stuffing my face with food all day. I take in around 4500 cal a day when I try to bulk at this current time (it goes up as I get bigger, follow the massive eating guide untill you get a better idea to personalise aspects of it).

If you have a busy schedule buy a ton of chicken and tuna, spend a night or two a week making stuff. I don't mind eating the same crap over and over so I usually bake 2 chickens, boil 2, throw 5 cans of tuna into some noodles with pickles and mayo hehe.. Make chicken soup with rice and misc veggies (mostly chicken and misc veggies not much soup in the soup lol) and eat the other chickens durring the day... It is a great easy and quick way to cook for what you will need and be able to take it with you no matter how busy you are.

Thats my 2 cents hope it helps bro

[BeginnerGuy]

Thanx for the encouragement. Seems like during week 9 and 10 I'm seeing some improvement. I am trying to loose my gut as I work out. I could care less about fat elsewhere. I eat more freakin chicken than I ever thought possible and I try to keep my protien intake up with low carb protien drinks.

I spend 3 days a week in the gym. 4 hours each day. It's the most my work schedule will permit. I am on the road 5 days a week with no serious gyms around. A few of the hotels have some cardio equipment but that's the extent of it. That might be why I am losing weight, since I do cardio when I can.

I have no workout partner because my work schedule sucks so bad. Any partner would disown me within the first week, when he found out I wouldn't be there 5 days a week and needed to work out 4 hours on the days I could. I do the 4 hours so that I can hit all the muscles in 2 or 3 days that I would normally be able to spread out over 6 days.

I will try to up my protein intake more without a corresponding increase in Carbs. I keep my carbs under 60 a day to lose weight. Usually stay under 30 but I shoot for 60.

I'm not doing any supplements other than protein mixes right now cause I wanted my system to be clean as possible so it could handle the AAs. Didn't want to give it any added stress of creatine or androstene or any other stien.

BeginnerGuy

Originally posted by cornfed 2
You are making progress.

It sounds like you are simultaneously trying to lose bodyfat and gain muscle mass. While this is not impossible, it is very difficult to achieve and impossible to do both with any significant progress. You should really just pick one and eat accordingly.

Make sure your time in the gym is well spent. Hours in the gym don't matter, it is the amount of work done while there that matters. Pay particular attention to performing the heavy compound excercises and adding weight to your routine every week so the muscles have a reason to grow.

[BeginnerGuy]

Stan,

I will read the stuff you suggested this week on the road and formulate a plan. Lots of material there, thanks for the heads up. At least I will have things to read inflight.

BeginnerGuy

[stantheman]

well, you got some hevos to be sticking it out at the gym for 4 hours. You might be doing a tad bit of over-training but on roids you realllly have to push yourself to get to that point.

Get the general idea of losing your gut out of your head for the moment. Don't worry about it, you WILL lose it and easy. Gaining muscle that stays on is 10x harder then shedding a few pounds.

Another thing is, as your back/arms/chest get bigger, your gut is going to naturally look smaller. So don't worry about it. If you don't eat enough you really are not going to get anywhere fast.

I think I was at 15% bf when I took the pics I posted. A tad bit less then what I was at when i started but I look a shitload better. And after all that is what we are going after Shedding the bf is/was easy after I bulked up.

If you are doing 4 hours a day in the gym, atleast do split workouts so you don't burn yourself out. I only go 4 times a week for about 1 - 1 1/2 hours (depends how many cute girls are walking around lol).

Generally I wait 1 minute between sets and 3 minutes between excersizes. If you do that it will take alot less time to get yourself in and out of the gym. I know alot of people who do 3 minutes between sets.. and I know the theory behind it... in addition I don't agree with it personally.

Do compound movements so you don't have to concentrate so much time on the smaller muscle groups.


Here is an example of what I do..

Day one

chest

incline bench press 5x5
normal bench press 5x5
dumbell flies 5x5 (i do this at the end to get a good streach when I'm done) and flies ARE NOT the same as presses hehe.

Tri's

skull crushers 5x5
pull downs 5x5 (constant flow.. 3 to pull down, 3 second hold, 3 seconds to go up, immedaitly start down)
Kick backs 5x5

Delts

I grab 4 different sets of weights and lay them on the floor side by side..

Grab the heavy 10 1/2 way low 10 1/2 way high, 1 high and hold for 10 seconds (or untill it burns so bad that I want to cry)

immediatly move forward do the same with the lighter weights

etc

I do this 2 x then I go home.. it is always interesting trying to drive my car after i do this lol.


Day 2

Lat pulldowns 5x5
Hammer str machine (forgot the name, but the one that you pull back on.. like having a dumbell and pulling it up on your chest but doing it sitting hehe) 5x5
Cable rows 5x5

Bi's

preacher curls 5x5
one arm curls 5x5
incline curls 5x5

Forearms

I do this kinda old school hehe.. In your gym I am not sure they would have this.. But it is basically a stick with a rope and a hook.. I reel the rope hands down then hands up.. I do this untill I can't feel my fingers :P

day 3 is legs.. then i do day 4 to hit the smaller muscle groups.

it only takes about 1 hour to 1 1/2 hours to get these workouts in and they have proven to be effective for me. Of course I change it up every 2-3 months but this is what I did for those before and after pictures I posted.

Have a good flight bro!

[BeginnerGuy]

Stan,

You do 5x5. Some guys I know do 10x3 and I do 8x3. What's the logic behind 5x5. Is it in that material you told me to read. I will get to that this week.

My chest goes like this.

Flat
Incline
Decline
Flat bench wide fly's
Behind the head wide grip cable pull down thing
Then a wide grip pec machine that mimics wide grip flat bench fly's. ( I think this one hits the inner pecs close to your sternum.)

That's it for chest. Would be willing to add another excerise since it's such an important image muscle.

BeginnerGuy

[loopfitt]

Your carbs are too low.