I'm New, So Please Be Gentle...

[IronRod]

I was told that this board has the best people with the best advice, so here it goes. First, a little about me. My stats are 6'0" & 210lbs at 15% body fat.

I have never taken AS before, but I have done a considerable amount of research. I have been working out for three years and I put on weight extremely easy. I would love to hear from the pros here who can give me counsel and direction on my first cycle.

Second, my goals. Drop my body fat to 7%. I know that diet and cardio will be key. Here is my projected first cycle.

Weeks 1-10 Test Propionate @ 300mg/pw
Weeks 1-10 Primobolan Depot @ 250mg/pw
Weeks 5-10 Winstrol @ 50mg/ed
Weeks 8-12 OTC FB x 4/ed
Weeks 10-12 Clomid Therapy 100/75/50

Please give me some feedback on how it could be better.

Thanks.

[FLEX 2000]

for the prop use 50mg ED or 100mg EOD. up the primo to 400mg and keep the winny the way it is. imo anavar would be alot better choice then primo. start your clomid a few days after your last shot 100mg, 50mg, 50mg. keep us posted

[FlatLine]

I'd dump the primo and do 400mg/w of EQ,(more cost effective also) keep the rest as Flex 2000 says. Welcome to the board, stick around, get to know everyone, and become part of our close knit family.

[celtics]

Primo is for girls or Bridging. It is just not cost effective for anything else. IMO Test/EQ or Test/deca for your first cycle. Along with the winny/clomid/arm/.......

[IronRod]

I appreciate the responses from Flex2000, FlatLine, and Celtics. I love absorbing knowledge from the pros out there, so please keep the replys coming. Here is my modified cycle:

Weeks 1-10 Test Prop @ 100mg/eod
Weeks 1-10 Equipoise @ 100mg/eod
Weeks 4-10 Winstrol @ 50mg/ed
Weeks 10-12 Clomid Therapy 100/50/50

Now I have another question. Many people argue that Test is Test. If this is true, could I substitute Sustanon in place of the Propinate? The reason I'm considering this substitution is because I've heard that injections of Propinate are much more painful. Also, in my situation, Sustanon is much easier to obtain than Propinate. Please let me know your thoughts.

Thanks.

[MP]

Bro' test is test but it all depends on the ester that is mixed with the test.i.e. prop is very fast acting as is test suspension therefore you have to shoot more often to keep blood levels stable. If you opt to go for sust or enth then you would only have to shoot 1 time per week because they are longer acting chains and you could mix the eq right in the same pin and go that route.IMO for a first cycle you might go with 250/wk of sus and 200/wk eq or deca or even better 500/wk sus 400/wk eq or deca. Keep the winny in there at the end and finish up with the prop ed or eod.You may want to have Nolvadex on hand in case you are sensitive to gyno.You could run it at 10mg ed throughout the cycle and follow it up with clomid starting 2 weeks after your last shot and lasting for 3 weeks at something like 100/50/50mg ed. That should cover you and be a good cycle. The water will come off naturally post cycle and the Nolvadex throughout will help to keep water down anyways. you should get great results from a cycle anything like this.Good luck. keep us posted!!

[ironman2001]

IF YOU DO THE CYCLE YOU LISTED I AGREE WITH DROPPING THE PRIMO AND SUBBING EQ FOR IT.BUT AS MP SAID YOU COULD ALSO GO SUST 250 AT 500 WK, EQ AT 400 WK.

[IronRod]

Thanks MP & IronMan2001 for the advice. With the combined input, how does this cycle look? I know the doses are low, but I feel more comfortable taking baby steps.

Weeks 1-12 Sustanon @ 250 mg/wk
Weeks 1-12 Equipoise@ 200 mg/wk
Weeks 6-12 Winstrol @ 50 mg/eod
Weels 13-15 Clomid Therapy 100/50/50 mg/ed

Let me know what you think.

[MP]

Rod, looks good bro' but you could go with the winny ed or eod 6-12. Not sure if you have oral or inj. but you can drink winny inj. but it does lose some of it's efficiency this way and winny is 17aa so it is slightly toxic on the liver but not so bad since you'll only be doing 50mg ed or eod but you could use some milk thistle and cranberry to keep your liver profiles in check and yes if this is your first cycle you should see good results as long as your diet and training are in check and you posted something in this thread about shooting eq ed or eod?? There is no need to do this- it is a long acting juice so once per week will suffice.

[FlatLine]

I like that one with the Sus better, but up the EQ to 400mg/w. Later

[IronRod]

Thanks MP for the information on the Winny and the advice on the milk thistle & cranberry.

Flatline, for budget purposes, I'll probably keep the EQ dose at 200mg/wk. My next cycle, I will up the doses on everything.