BIG AL

[ironman2001]

first, DNP is the most effective way to lose fat chemically, but it will kill you if you're not careful. this is an informative thread for cycle tips. if you don't know much about DNP please do a yahoo search on the subject to get some background information.

btw, some of you may recognize me from the EF and AF boards, and yes, it's me. check the email addy if you're not sure.

with summer coming there has been a great interest in DNP cycles. i have had more DNP cycles under my belt than i'd like to admit and i will try to share with you what i've learned to have been helpful when using DNP to maximize fat loss.
these are numbered randomly and not in order of importance.

1. carb deplete for 3 days prior to DNP because DNP will take a good 2-3 days to deplete the body's glycogen stores before it can efficiently burn stored fat.

2. once on DNP eat an isometric diet (33% prot, 33% fat, 33% carbs). isometric by calories not by weight. restricting carbs will put the body in a state of hypoglycemia and can be dangerous to the health and also the mental well being. DNP also mimics insulin in that it shuttles glucose into the cells in the absence of glucose. this is great for fat burning, but when carb intake is too low the blood glucose can be at dangerously low levels as well.

3. wear gloves when handling the caps and the container the caps come in.

4. t4 to t3 conversion in the liver will slow starting around day 4/5 assuming the dose is adequately high to cause enough temperature rise. supplementing 25mcg of t3 is essential. this just brings the t3 level in the body back to normal and maybe slightly above baseline. however, not supplementing t3 seems to give DNP a slight anabolic effect. the depressed t3 levels is very muscle sparing.

5. keep cool! this is very important for your well being and state of mind during a DNP cycle. sleep alone if at all possible. keep the guest bedroom (your new room) cold and get a FAN. do not underestimate the importance of the fan. a 55 degree bedroom plus a high powered fan should be sufficient for keeping you comfortable at night when you sleep. without the fan you might have to sleep in your walk-in freezer.

6. hydration. drink and drink often. don't plan any long road trips while taking dnp...

7. supplements. antioxidants: E, C, glutathione, selenium, and anything else you can think of. take about 2x as much as normal. 1 tablespoon of glycerol 3x/day will help with energy and carb cravings. 1 tbsp of potassium citrate .5 hours before each cap will help with acidity caused by dnp and help with workouts. it also helps people who get nauseated from dnp caps. ECA: i don't like using stimulants, but many people who use this say it helps them curb their appetite and carb cravings. melatonin or GHB for sleep especially the first 3 nights when there seems to be slight CNS stimulation and combined with the heat sleep can be difficult for some people.

8. front loading: this is only recommended for experienced users who are familiar with the dosing of the caps from their source. front loading provides a kick start to get the DNP up to speed in the body because it takes a while for DNP levels to build up in the body. i find this to be very very effective. new users should never try this

9. the cycle: i recommend 3-4 back to back cycles of 8 days on and 7 days off starting 25mcg t3 at day 4/5 of the first cycle and carrying it through till 4/5 days after the last cap of the last cycle. with the same supplier i have seen the best results from myself and many others at a consistent dose of 6-7mg/kg-bw. for practical reasons some people can not be hot and sweaty all day long and especially with summer weather coming up it's going to be very uncomfortable at this dose. for this reason a long extended lower dose cycle can be considered. i have noticed some good results with this as well. no noticeable sides and steady losses.

there can be a huge difference between 400mg and 600mg, or b/w 600 and 800. since most of the caps you buy will only come in 200mg caps this presents a problem if you want to take something in between such as 500mg or 700mg without having to break up the caps which will be very messy and inconvenient. here's what i suggest:

200mg/day: 1 cap/24 hours
300mg/day: 1 cap/18 hours
400mg/day: 1 cap/12 hours
500mg/day: 1 cap/10 hours
600mg/day: 1 cap/8 hours
700mg/day: 1 cap/7 hours
800mg/day: 1 cap/6 hours

this is assuming you have 200mg caps. at the high doses the hours separate only by 1 hour, even less if you go above 800mg/day. this doesn't sound like a lot, but it makes a huge difference, especially over a period of 7-8 days.
spreading out the dosing helps to reduce the intensity of the sides at any given moment because the peak heat production is about 1.5-6 hours after ingestion of the cap. this also helps to stop or cutail dosing in case a certain dose becomes too severe in terms of either heat or allergies.


hope this helps. if anyone else has any tips and tricks please share.

[ June 12, 2001: Message edited by: ironman2001 ]

[BIG_GUNS_21]

Good post I have read that before I think. I think for people like Big Al that any diet drugs but over the counter is not a good (ie clen, T3, DNP ect). It will work but I don't think IMO it is ment for a lot of weight loss. It is more for the guy trying to cut up and has to lose 15-20lbs or so. Also people that are at a highier bodyweight with a high bf% have more of a stress on the hart (it has to work harder already) so things like clen T3 and DNP COULD cause big problems in this area IMO as they will make your hart work even harder. Even a simple ECA stack will increas the hart rate but not to the extent of the more "hardcore" BBing drugs. I think AT MOST and ECA stack should be all that a person in Big Als postion should be takeing for these reasons. That is until a person gets down to the LAST few 10-15lbs that "just wont come off" then maybe try these substaces.

PS sorry for singleing you out Al just looking out for ya

I agree with Guns. DNP is more of a contest prep drug. It is not intended for extreme weight loss.

[ironman2001]

JUST 2 LET U BRO'S KNOW I POSTED THIS BEC/ I WAS E-MAILED FOR IMFORMATION ON THIS SUBJECT.I'M BY NO MEANS RECOMMENDING DNP 2 BIG AL OR ANYONE, IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS DRUG AND I PERSONALLY WOULD NEVER USE IT BUT I DONT WANT PEOPLE 2 WALK BLINDLY INTO A SITUATION OF THIS MAGNITUDE BEC/ SOMEONE COULD GET HURT!!! JUST TRYING 2 EDUCATE SOMEONE B-4 THEY MAKE A RASH DECISION.ONCE SOMEONE IS GIVEN THE KNOWLEDGE THEN THE CHOICE IS THEIRS.HOPE THAT POST HELPS YOU BRO'S!!!

Easy bro, I know that you ment well. I wasnt trying to call you wrong, I was just saying, ya know? That was a VERY good post to put up though.

[Big Al]

Just got home from work. I must say damn!!!!! Thank you for all the research and help guys especially you Ironman. I think I will stay away from the DNP. Looks a little complicated for me. So I guess I will just be getting Clen for the time being and see how that works by itself. Then maybe ill add some T3. Once again thank you everybody for all your input.

[celtics]

Good job guys, Most of the time you just hear how great these drugs are and seldom do you hear the fact the some of this stuff is very dangerious. Very responable!

[Big Al]

With as long as I have been dieting I should know there are no magic pills. But it gets frustrating after a while. Mt last plateau lasted about a month and a half. I almost felt like giving up. I havent and im not. But damn its hard to lose weight. Oh well im on my way to the gym. Again thanks guys, beleive it or not the word of advice also serve as wrods of encouragement to me.